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Post by compassgolf on Jan 28, 2012 22:58:35 GMT -5
Richie, Jeffy, and Lynn....The Three Stooges
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 28, 2012 23:13:36 GMT -5
Richie, Jeffy, and Lynn....The Three Stooges Classy. Name calling. That's the best you can do? Did I ever do that at Manzella's? I just asked questions you guys didn't want asked. And I produced evidence you guys couldn't refute. You didn't want to debate straight-up with a "10 handicap amateur swing scientist" so you banned me and hoped I'd just fade away. No such luck. Why don't you ask a thoughtful question or post some evidence that shows you know something other than how to behave like a jerk-off? How about some "before and after" case studies of the wonderful things that the "out toss" and "well-timed release" have produced? How about producing some stats from the tour that prove your theories? Feel free to use Richie's, they are quite illuminating. What of value do you have to show for yourself? Please, cut and paste over here some of your "hall of fame" posts from Manzella's site that demonstrate your great knowledge and instructional skill, as well as your winning charm. Or just continue to live up to your well-deserved reputation. We expect no less. Jeff
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 29, 2012 0:12:18 GMT -5
Mike- Post deleted for lack of evidence: Shemp doesn't look anything like me! Try again! Jeff
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Post by richie3jack on Jan 29, 2012 1:06:46 GMT -5
I do remember the Richie-Finney-Yale Prof incident. I can imagine Richie feels very wronged and taken, but there has to be a point beyond which it is more productive to forgive and forget All of this started when Denny Alberts asked what we thought of the 1st video Jacobs did on the release. I stated to the effect that it's good stuff, but most of the stuff in there Mac discovered 20 years ago. I did state that the interpretations were different. But, I also stated that maybe next time they should think twice before blindly ripping into Mac because he may know a lot more about the swing that they will ever give him credit for. That was it. I basically complimented them on their work, even said that the conclusions were different which differentiated what Brian and Co. found from Mac's work. You see, Mike Finney has poured a lot of time, effort and money into this research as well. He's anti-MORAD, so discovering something completely new would be a real coup for him. But, discovering stuff that Mac discovered 20 years ago...doesn't make him look good. Same with their loyalty to Mandrin, who aped nmgolfer's work. Previous and during this, I had no problem with posting YouTube videos that were promotions of Brian's work, be it 'Anti-Summits', GTE Seminars, etc. My 'thanks' for this was Brian asserting that HE was doing ME the favor because it was bringing more people to my Web site...that I don't make money from. All because I let Jeffy post stuff on my forum. And that I should be 'ashamed' for allowing this to happen. All of that wrapped everything up in a bow for me. Brian and Co. are just a bunch of guys doing whatever they can to make a buck. They are not 'truth seekers'...they are money seekers. And that's just fine...but, buyer beware. 3JACK
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Post by footwedge on Jan 29, 2012 3:08:56 GMT -5
Seem's like all the handle dragger's reside over at Manzoola's that's because he has to undo all the stuff he taught them before. He f'ed them up now he has to try and fix them using a TGM based method from Peter Croker "clubhead first A to B." That's must be what they mean by the "Resultant Path" you follow a stooge's path and that's the result, you go from method A to method B. The Matrix is a mind f@#$k. They should have taken the blue pill. minus the red Kool-aid.
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 29, 2012 7:52:46 GMT -5
Well Richie and Jeff, at least you're in good company. :-)
Kevin
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Post by kevinshields on Jan 29, 2012 8:30:09 GMT -5
Hello all! First time poster, short time lurker. Glad to join the party. There's so much good information and so much is over my head that I prefer to just read, soak it in, and learn from the best. However, when something patently false is stated, I feel compelled to respond. I have never made a single nickel from Brian's site, don't do "web" lessons (don't need to), dont have to post up before and afters, and do not travel to the show with Brian and Co. (although credit where it due....the travel team comment was pretty funny). Brian and Co. have given away tons of free info, as has Kelvin. Richies comment about money seekers is a joke, as he usually is. What is this entire site set up to do? Promote Kelvin and make a buck. I don't know Kelvin but he obviously supports Jeffy in his quest to disparage Manzella so that's all I really need to know about him. Brian is one of my best friends and would always jump at the chance to defend him. But since half of this site is committed to dumping on him I just don't have the time to, and he ALWAYS asks me not to....despite what Richie and Co. says. Thanks again and happy golfing! Good luck in the quest to take over the golf instruction world......or the long drivers association, or whatever market you're trying to reach.
..and Footwedge, I hope you're a teacher of some sort with an agenda. It would at least explain why youre such an asshole. Because if you're just a regular golfer searching golf websites for information and act like you do, I feel sorry for you.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 29, 2012 9:57:08 GMT -5
Hello Kevin, I don't want to get involved with golf teachers' other sport: online bantering against each other I do think your statement on Richie is unwarranted and possibly "patently false". I think it is uncalled for to label him as "usually" a joke. I don't know him personally, never even had a PM with him, but I cannot find another person with an online persona that is as objective, neutral and fair as Richie who btw does not make a single nickel from endorsing or not endorsing Brian's site or work. Richie has played his role fairly by listing events of Brian Manzella on Richie site, even though my understanding is that Richie does not necessarily endorse all of Brian's teaching personally. To me Richie has enough professional courtesy and respect for Brian; the Finney incident might be the breaking point. Meanwhile, if anyone has been to Brian's site --i have been, where I find it amusing that Brian repeated inquired who golfdad is,,,golfdad is a moron as far as I am concerned!--it is not difficult to sense how Brian acts or reacts to teachings that he does not approve or individuals who question. It is quite high school sophomoric at best. Brian has every right to be himself but let's give proper credit to Richie because Richie has earned it. After the Finney incident, Richie's feeling toward Finney and his supporters should be easily understood (although I question how healthy it is to drag it on just the other day) I find Richie to be a serious person, so to joke around like that, assuming that is your benign intention, may not go well. On the subject of Jeff and Brian, here is my view. Jeff does not give a damn to what others have to say. He is his own person and he does not give up or give in. He does not have to kiss up to Brian or anyone. The more you guys come here to taunt him, the more Brian is going to take the hits. I am here to learn about golf, but I suspect this is the type of shit that I have to put up with. How did Brian do with booting Jeff off with a dedicated video? My feeling is that it is possibly one of the biggest missteps that anyone can commit. With the instant gratification of that video, Brian may have to put up with the repercussions for a long time to come. You see, the saying is true that one keeps one's friends close but opponents closer. Brian imo violated this rule of common sense. When Jeff was posting on Brian's site, Jeff was under Brian's jurisdiction. Now, Brian has released the jailbird and sends Jeff off to be all Jeff wants to be--and Jeff is highly capable to Brian's dismay. Brian has created an environment and endless material for Jeff to needle him 24/7. Brian's friends and supporters coming here helps to refuel Jeff's zeal. I may be wrong, but it seems that although some find Jeff's approach at times over the top (I cringe at times , many actually silently cheer and enjoy the spectacle when Jeff calls Brian an emperor without clothing. I have no doubt that Brian must have helped a lot of people with golf in his own ways, but it is sad his legacy seems to be in jeopardy not because of inadequate teaching ability--Jeff may argue otherwise:) -- but because of his outlandish mannerism, disparaging attitude and low level of respect for others that is open for everyone to see. Cheers. ps. If Robert Rock is currently studying under Brian, a big congrads!
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:28:21 GMT -5
Golfdad- In another thread on this forum Richie metioned that Robert Rock is a MORAD student.
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Post by richie3jack on Jan 29, 2012 11:37:41 GMT -5
Golfdad- In another thread on this forum Richie metioned that Robert Rock is a MORAD student. Yes, he is. I can't remember the name of the teacher he works with over in England. But he has worked with Mac and his teacher is MORAD as well. 3JACK
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Post by richie3jack on Jan 29, 2012 11:50:54 GMT -5
I do think your statement on Richie is unwarranted and possibly "patently false". I think it is uncalled for to label him as "usually" a joke. I don't know him personally, never even had a PM with him, but I cannot find another person with an online persona that is as objective, neutral and fair as Richie who btw does not make a single nickel from endorsing or not endorsing Brian's site or work. Richie has played his role fairly by listing events of Brian Manzella on Richie site, even though my understanding is that Richie does not necessarily endorse all of Brian's teaching personally. To me Richie has enough professional courtesy and respect for Brian; the Finney incident might be the breaking point. Meanwhile, if anyone has been to Brian's site --i have been, where I find it amusing that Brian repeated inquired who golfdad is,,,golfdad is a moron as far as I am concerned!--it is not difficult to sense how Brian acts or reacts to teachings that he does not approve or individuals who question. It is quite high school sophomoric at best. Brian has every right to be himself but let's give proper credit to Richie because Richie has earned it. After the Finney incident, Richie's feeling toward Finney and his supporters should be easily understood (although I question how healthy it is to drag it on just the other day) I find Richie to be a serious person, so to joke around like that, assuming that is your benign intention, may not go well. Thanks for the kind words. I feel everything I said was an accurate depiction of what goes on in Manzella-world. This has been cultivated from my observations of Brian since 2008. So it wasn't some impulsive decision to ban Finney and Shields and my current feelings about Brian and Co. I could see when a person you are friends with acts a way that you don't approve of, but there is nothing you can really do about it. Still, no apology was ever made for it. In fact, their viewpoint is that *I* am in the wrong...as witnessed by Shields's post here. There are other things that went on as well that I won't go into. To me, these actions were conniving driven by their typical paranoia. It's a great way to sell yourself...the self proclaimed rogue who is leading the fight of 'us versus the world.' The problem is that the fingerpointing, politicking and backstabbing just never ends. And eventually it will be directed towards you. 3JACK
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Post by cocoboy on Jan 29, 2012 11:51:01 GMT -5
belsham is his coach
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Post by cocoboy on Jan 29, 2012 11:53:16 GMT -5
Hello all! First time poster, short time lurker. Glad to join the party. There's so much good information and so much is over my head that I prefer to just read, soak it in, and learn from the best. However, when something patently false is stated, I feel compelled to respond. I have never made a single nickel from Brian's site, don't do "web" lessons (don't need to), dont have to post up before and afters, and do not travel to the show with Brian and Co. (although credit where it due....the travel team comment was pretty funny). Brian and Co. have given away tons of free info, as has Kelvin. Richies comment about money seekers is a joke, as he usually is. What is this entire site set up to do? Promote Kelvin and make a buck. I don't know Kelvin but he obviously supports Jeffy in his quest to disparage Manzella so that's all I really need to know about him. Brian is one of my best friends and would always jump at the chance to defend him. But since half of this site is committed to dumping on him I just don't have the time to, and he ALWAYS asks me not to....despite what Richie and Co. says. Thanks again and happy golfing! Good luck in the quest to take over the golf instruction world......or the long drivers association, or whatever market you're trying to reach. ..and Footwedge, I hope you're a teacher of some sort with an agenda. It would at least explain why youre such an asshole. Because if you're just a regular golfer searching golf websites for information and act like you do, I feel sorry for you. cmon you play on tour , well sometimes , like me . surely this is pure entertainment for you as well
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Post by footwedge on Jan 29, 2012 12:38:01 GMT -5
Hello all! First time poster, short time lurker. Glad to join the party. There's so much good information and so much is over my head that I prefer to just read, soak it in, and learn from the best. However, when something patently false is stated, I feel compelled to respond. I have never made a single nickel from Brian's site, don't do "web" lessons (don't need to), dont have to post up before and afters, and do not travel to the show with Brian and Co. (although credit where it due....the travel team comment was pretty funny). Brian and Co. have given away tons of free info, as has Kelvin. Richies comment about money seekers is a joke, as he usually is. What is this entire site set up to do? Promote Kelvin and make a buck. I don't know Kelvin but he obviously supports Jeffy in his quest to disparage Manzella so that's all I really need to know about him. Brian is one of my best friends and would always jump at the chance to defend him. But since half of this site is committed to dumping on him I just don't have the time to, and he ALWAYS asks me not to....despite what Richie and Co. says. Thanks again and happy golfing! Good luck in the quest to take over the golf instruction world......or the long drivers association, or whatever market you're trying to reach. ..and Footwedge, I hope you're a teacher of some sort with an agenda. It would at least explain why youre such an asshole. Because if you're just a regular golfer searching golf websites for information and act like you do, I feel sorry for you. You would know about assholes as you are surrounded by them over there and your head is so far up BM's you can see out of his eyeballs. Feel sorry for me? I feel sorry for all the hapless golfer's that are using out-toss and the " new release" throwing it away worse than ever Jwat is just the tip of the iceberg. BM stole Croker's method and he can't even teach it right and Manzolla is a TGM expert that's hilarious, if you are going to ape someone at least get it right douche bag. Keep fixin' the one's you screwed up from the last method and this " new method" that should keep you busy for a loooong time, you're on" loop".
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 29, 2012 13:01:21 GMT -5
However, when something patently false is stated, I feel compelled to respond. I have never made a single nickel from Brian's site, don't do "web" lessons (don't need to), dont have to post up before and afters, and do not travel to the show with Brian and Co. (although credit where it due....the travel team comment was pretty funny). Brian and Co. have given away tons of free info, as has Kelvin. Richies comment about money seekers is a joke, as he usually is.
Kevin-
Welcome to "jeffy golf"! Could you have possibly imagined just two short months ago that you and Mike would be members of MY website? The world works in mysterious ways.
Am I correct in assuming that what you consider "patently false" is "Richie's comment about money seekers"? What is "patently false" about it? Brian told me very directly in our phone conversations that making money from the website was the ONLY reason the website existed. That was why he could not have me there questioning him or promoting Kelvin. "It is a business" and "it has to be all about ME!!!" are direct quotes.
As for this website, I don't make any money from it and there are absolutely no plans or prospective arrangements that would do so. I hope Kelvin and Tapio and others in the golf instruction business that participate here constructively profit from it, but the real point of this site is for golfers to get better. I spent six years, hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars on lessons and travel, and I've found what I think is the best out there. I like showing off my knowledge, so here it is.
Jeff
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