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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:02:24 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 18:02:24 GMT -5
Please someone help this guy! It's like groundhog's day for the poor guy. Three years, 7 trips to see BM, new release and out-toss, etc. and he is worse now than before, lost 20-30 yds on his driver and some yds on his irons. Kelvin or Jeffy or Teeace somebody please help this guy, it hurts just to read his posts. Maybe he will read it and come over here and get some help
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:27:44 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 25, 2012 18:27:44 GMT -5
Yea, this is what I had been getting at when I first read the out-toss, going normal stuff, that it could be a pill for some but 99% of that board probably will not be helped by trying this stuff, or should I say implementing it incorrectly.
Jwat needs hand dragging, he needs to get the clubhead in front of him, I would also see if shorting the radius of that backswing might not get a little slack in his left arm, it seems so rigid and overextended that any type of move is going to leave them hands way behind.
Jwat is a good poster, I am sad to see him struggle so much because he works hard.
edit: just saw a recent face on, I think the issues are with the pivot and the tilts putting him into a position to fall.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:48:31 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 18:48:31 GMT -5
I agree, he seems he's at his wits end. I think it was just a matter of time for the out-toss to basically kill his swing, it's a shame really for a guy trying so hard and putting in the effort and trust in the " best instructor in the world" and he gets worse taking instruction from the guy that can fix someone in 5 mins.
I believe him when he says he has the ability to be much better so it's not a case of... oh! the student can't do it or he doesn't get it or he's not really putting in the time . The advice given is not for him that's been proven by now. Please stop the insanity! Help this guy, someone please!
He should get a full refund and an apology just for the emotional damage to his golf psyche.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:54:50 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 25, 2012 18:54:50 GMT -5
Well just at a glance that shoulder turn is way to flat on the backswing and it pulls him around, as Kelvin pointed out to me. He is very athletic and gets the club and shoulder turn full at the top but to do it he slides his hips forward a bit and then the real killler move slides them way forward on the downswing to the point he is probably 8" behind at P6, now he is trying to out toss go normal from this position and it opens the face and he has to massive flip it to catch up. Its actully a pretty good move athletically to hit the ball. It can be fixed. Here I am in one of my first swings on tape two years ago. I as almost as late but had better compensations than Jwat. Attachments:
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:54:58 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 18:54:58 GMT -5
If I remember right I think Jeffy tried to help him, but then Jeffy got the boot and with it Jwat's chance for some real help.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 18:58:34 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 18:58:34 GMT -5
Well just at a glance that shoulder turn is way to flat on the backswing and it pulls him around, as Kelvin pointed out to me. He is very athletic and gets the club and shoulder turn full at the top but to do it he slides his hips forward a bit and then the real killler move slides them way forward on the downswing to the point he is probably 8" behind at P6, now he is trying to out toss go normal from this position and it opens the face and he has to massive flip it to catch up. Its actully a pretty good move athletically to hit the ball. It can be fixed. Here I am in one of my first swings on tape two years ago. I as almost as late but had better compensations than Jwat. You mean he makes a good athletic move or the mechanical moves are good? Or both?
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:02:37 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 25, 2012 19:02:37 GMT -5
Well just at a glance that shoulder turn is way to flat on the backswing and it pulls him around, as Kelvin pointed out to me. He is very athletic and gets the club and shoulder turn full at the top but to do it he slides his hips forward a bit and then the real killler move slides them way forward on the downswing to the point he is probably 8" behind at P6, now he is trying to out toss go normal from this position and it opens the face and he has to massive flip it to catch up. Its actully a pretty good move athletically to hit the ball. It can be fixed. Here I am in one of my first swings on tape two years ago. I as almost as late but had better compensations than Jwat. You mean he makes a good athletic move or the mechanical moves are good? Or both? athletic, which shows he has the ability, most people would miss the ball from the spot he is in at P6.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:03:37 GMT -5
Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 25, 2012 19:03:37 GMT -5
Kelvin or Jeffy or Teeace somebody please help this guy, it hurts just to read his posts. Maybe he will read it and come over here and get some help Our door is always open for the repentant. Except maybe this guy... Jeff
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:04:33 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 19:04:33 GMT -5
You mean he makes a good athletic move or the mechanical moves are good? Or both? athletic, which shows he has the ability, most people would miss the ball from the spot he is in at P6. Gotcha, I agree.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:06:51 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 19:06:51 GMT -5
Kelvin or Jeffy or Teeace somebody please help this guy, it hurts just to read his posts. Maybe he will read it and come over here and get some help Our door is always open for the repentant. Except maybe this guy... Jeff Me and him are buds now! So mums the word Although that could change after one exchange.
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:14:09 GMT -5
Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 25, 2012 19:14:09 GMT -5
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Jwat
Jan 25, 2012 19:31:00 GMT -5
Post by footwedge on Jan 25, 2012 19:31:00 GMT -5
Me and him are buds now! So mums the word Although that could change after one exchange. Yeah, I saw and I'm SURE that it is going to last... Jeff You're such a pessimist. Just because you and BM had a bitter divorce and you didn't even get visiting rights, doesn't mean the same will happen to us. ;D
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Jwat
Jan 26, 2012 0:01:36 GMT -5
Post by gatorgolf on Jan 26, 2012 0:01:36 GMT -5
Who is Jwat? Does he post on here? Anyone have any video of his swing?
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Jwat
Jan 26, 2012 0:07:05 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 26, 2012 0:07:05 GMT -5
Who is Jwat? Does he post on here? Anyone have any video of his swing? He posts at Brian's and is a student of his. He chimed in on a thread we were discussing Lag because he has last any semblance of it and he says he has been working on the out toss and going normal.
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Jwat
Jan 26, 2012 0:17:41 GMT -5
Post by gatorgolf on Jan 26, 2012 0:17:41 GMT -5
If he has no semblance of lag then i wonder why he would be working on the out toss? Sounds like he needs some competent instruction.
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