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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 18, 2012 23:21:46 GMT -5
well, my swing needs no introduction, its something to behold.
Its the beginning of the new year, and really its "in" season for me in Arizona, I generally hit balls 3 times a week though our company has finally seen real business for the first time in years so not hitting as much.
Anyways, at a bit of a cross roads. I started out three years ago about a 10 handicap and hooked the shit out of the ball, now I dont and play to a 6.
I can easily play my swing I grew up on shoot 80 or lower depending on a good or bad short game day. I have stalled though and not sure where I am going, confusion reigns. Its at a point I am wondering if I should not just work from a 100 in and get really good at that to lower the score another notch or two.
But what fun is that? Really, I mean to hit a ball just to hit it, I want to like, ya know, hit it really good.
Kelvin was nice enough to look at my swing. He sees the same faults, and a few more, than I have in the past. Of course some of the bio mechanical causes I would have never known without his views.
I am not really sure where to start to fix things. I am pretty meticulous and structured.
Here is the swing review:
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 18, 2012 23:23:08 GMT -5
swing after working on some of the issues.
A little squat but I was all over the place with low point and face control..................Rome was not built in a day, and my faults were built over years, no miracles, I know this.
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 19, 2012 12:13:50 GMT -5
Thats a nice analysis. I read some of Kelvin articles and I think his stuff is great, some of the best articles ive ever read on the golf swing. It was interesting how closed off your body looked at about 804 in the video. Have you tried to work on getting your body/shoulders more open at impact, or has that always been an issue?
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 19, 2012 12:33:12 GMT -5
Thats a nice analysis. I read some of Kelvin articles and I think his stuff is great, some of the best articles ive ever read on the golf swing. It was interesting how closed off your body looked at about 804 in the video. Have you tried to work on getting your body/shoulders more open at impact, or has that always been an issue? Gator, Always been an issue, no ones been able to fix. Thats not a knock on anyone, just the reality. I probably fit the pattern of most decent athletes who started off with a slice. I started playing after high school and college, was a good athlete and played college football. I could hit it pretty good and far but the ball often was a push slice. My friends all told me I was over the top. That was WRONG. I probably had a slightly left path with a wide open face. So I deloped a slide move with the hips and drop of the right shoulder. Suddenly a straight ball was created or draw, but I built a swing that lacked power and you can see that now. I still hit it far enough compared to most but not as far as I should. The shoulders are way closed and the spinal tilts are jacked. Had I been fixed early on I would imagine I have a much more athletic pivot. What is truely miserable and I think I fit most serious connoisseur of the golf swing is that I can see the things I do wrong, I know where I want to be but I am not getting there. Its more frustrating that not knowing because when you don't know you can always tell yourself I should just study and pracitce more, but when you already are...........maddening is the word I guess. I hit it very poorly last night, I contemplated bowling again, seriously
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Post by footwedge on Jan 19, 2012 13:12:36 GMT -5
swing after working on some of the issues. A little squat but I was all over the place with low point and face control..................Rome was not built in a day, and my faults were built over years, no miracles, I know this. Let your right arm fold a lot sooner. The straight right arm is causing lot's of problems on your takeaway, shoulders tilted wrong, off the ball with too much body rotation and a shut clubface are a few things caused by it. JMO, I have no video but I can pm you where to look.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 19, 2012 21:41:15 GMT -5
So I had a goal tonight at the range. Last night looking at some videos I realized that my setup posture was really aiding in my lifting in the backswing and the hands position. I think you can see from the DTL I don't lift really. I was not really working on anything else other than a good posure for the first part, at least not related to Kelvin's video. I figured I needed to make it as easy as possible to get this backswing fixed. I think this is a pretty drastic change. Hands much higher and less lifting all a result of setup The second thing I was working on was a feeling that I was pointing my left wrist into impact, sounds weird so I demonstrated it for ya. Impact photo...flip ;D I really was just compressing the ball, not sure why, just was.
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 19, 2012 23:23:51 GMT -5
Ooohhhhhh! Looking NASTY! Love that new top of the backswing position! Drive/hold impact? That's it! What are you listening too? ? I've got to try that! Jeff
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 20, 2012 23:09:36 GMT -5
Three days in a row at the range....there is a group of six of us that are out there a lot, two guys aspiring tour players. Two guys that try hard but struggle. We all have the development pass which is free range and cart fees after 3pm for 50 bucks a month, great deal!
Three driver swings, really trying to hold that left leg from sliding and cleaning up P1. Still not turning in circle but not pulling the club around my body as much.
Honestly not sure what I should be working on to generate some of these bio mechanical moves. I know it sees like if I add waste bend in the down swing and I time low point correctly the ball seems to really go. I mean I want to use my legs, they just dont seem to be cooperating.
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 21, 2012 1:30:13 GMT -5
Looks like pretty good clubface control through impact to me. Also looks like you keep the pivot moving nicely in dtl view. Youre probably more closed off than you'd like to be through impact, this is a swing i used to study alot when i was having trouble with rotating through the ball, ive always thought the Pettersson had a great release and great upperbody rotation.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 21, 2012 15:12:30 GMT -5
Looks like pretty good clubface control through impact to me. Also looks like you keep the pivot moving nicely in dtl view. Youre probably more closed off than you'd like to be through impact, this is a swing i used to study alot when i was having trouble with rotating through the ball, ive always thought the Pettersson had a great release and great upperbody rotation. That dude does freaky shit in the golf swing. Like his move, always have, as an underplaner I love people who can swing over it. This is the one I like. Solid rotation for 60. I see the jacked up shoulders in my swing, its a complicated fix I guess. Kelvin pointed out bio mechanically lots of things are putting me in a position to fall. Goal has to be to find the workable positions.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 22, 2012 22:14:00 GMT -5
Backswing getting closer, no more out and around with the clubhead.
Really trying to tackle one problem at a time and thats the backswing for now. I really trying to feel a late set of the wrists and ulna deviate at transition, seemed to work as I hit the ball like a decent player.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 23, 2012 15:04:50 GMT -5
So in my efforts to tackle my backswing I reached out to James Hirschfield, moradman as some know him, and he said my setup was the first place to start. With a square right foot and the knee already in IR he suggested trying to set the right foot more open which should set the knee further in ER, of course it turns more ER from there but that may help my sequencing (this is my interpretation, his comments were shorter). I feel like the setup should be closer to Sneed rather then any kicked in knees.
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Post by walther on Jan 23, 2012 18:23:26 GMT -5
Greg -- Can you just CC me on all your tweaks? I feel like you are posting my personal notes. I'm concentrating just on the backswing now -- working on setup, trying to be slightly more upright (helping get my weight off my toes) and I've also found if I flare my lead foot the resulting movement is much more dynamic.
Also trying to look at shoulder and hip rotation and tilts. ;D
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 24, 2012 13:55:18 GMT -5
I know BM has noted that Luke Donald's release is a model for their new study on going normal and not handle dragging. I decided to see how my release holds up. Here is mine. You can see I manage through some hip slide like Donald to get the left wrist flat at impact but am losing right wrist bend as prescribed by BM. The second photo is when the right wrist becomes totally flat and you can see I have some bending of the left wrist, I think I fit the model? Anyone? So here is Donald. Check out the impact photo, the red line was from my picture, not moved at all so we had similar camera setups, our impact really do not seem that much different? Now the second photo shows that we both achieve this normal condition in a similar way. Now Donald rolls his left wrist versus bending so I am not sure if that fits BM's new research. So I fit the model? My issues are not about impact alignments, maybe clubface alignments.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 24, 2012 14:43:36 GMT -5
hello Gmb, as the bad boy BIG MAC in tennis used to say: You can't be serious! Not speaking as a guru of any kind, I don't think it makes sense to compare hand/arm/wrist/shaft position without considering the fact that You and Luke have different action in the rest of the body, namely, hips and legs. You may think you two meet at the similar point, when in fact you each are stopped at different point of your respective swing cycle. Take impact for instance. Look behind your wrists and his wrists. Perhaps this is the fundamental issue I have with that thread about going normal. Essentially everything has been about hand/wrist/club position while there is absolutely lacking information on the corresponding lower body positioning. If other words, if you and Luke get to the similar point differently, what to make of it?
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