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Post by cocoboy on Jan 28, 2012 20:39:07 GMT -5
Anyone over here have a chance to look at Dr Jeff Mann's work
I am biased - I think that KM is clueless re: golf swing biomechanics.
He simply studies micro-differences in different golfer's biomechanical movements as seen on a video, but he doesn't understand why they exist. He also seemingly has zero knowledge of TGM mechanics, and he doesn't understand the power accumulator loading/release concepts or the concept of the LAFW.
Compare my opinions on the release to his opinions - see the appendix section of this review paper.
perfectgolfswingreview.net/HandRelease.htm
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 28, 2012 20:51:42 GMT -5
I definitely dont agree with that Laird Small article thats about halfway down Mann's article. I sure dont want to be slapping at the ball to release the club with my right hand like he advocates.
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 28, 2012 21:07:41 GMT -5
coco-
It is appropriate that this thread is posted in the "Things that make you go hmmmm..." board.
If Dr. Mann ever wants to tangle over here under our ground rules requiring supporting evidence for his opinions, he is more than welcome.
Jeff
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Post by surfcity on Jan 28, 2012 21:32:08 GMT -5
It looks like Jeff Mann has found his way here under the name cocoboy. The tone sounds familiar. I'll put this out here right now, he is like kudzu, that southern U.S. weed that grows and spreads and can't be eradicated. He will suck the energy out of this site and in the wake of his posts will leave sniping and hate. He won't follow your ground rules and he will burn up billions of innocent electrons in his pursuit to be right at all costs. Jeffy, your intentions are admirable, but misplaced. Proceed with extreme caution, or you could pre-empt the mess that is about to begin.
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Post by footwedge on Jan 28, 2012 22:40:45 GMT -5
coco- It is appropriate that this thread is posted in the "Things that make you go hmmmm..." board. If Dr. Mann ever wants to tangle over here under our ground rules requiring supporting evidence for his opinions, he is more than welcome. Jeff Why do I think that won't last? www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4Z3cf32Bo
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 28, 2012 22:57:21 GMT -5
surf-
Remember, I control the "delete" button.
Anyway, I have probably five years experience with Jeff Mann and 1) I don't think cocoboy is him, and 2) I don't think Jeff Mann would come here. He's too chickenshit.
Mann won't debate me face up at Ralph's forum (Gotham Golf Forum) and couldn't handle me at his own site (Newton) and had me banned. He'd be shredded here. And he knows it.
But, thanks for your concern!
Jeff
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Post by cocoboy on Jan 28, 2012 23:13:53 GMT -5
surf
Not J Mann , I actually thought it would make a good thread , since there is a review paper linked . Yes its obviously a stir job , if there was none of this on golf forum , I will bet you everything that the forum will be dead in the water fast. Why do you think Manzella goes nutzo over snt morad or whatever every now and again , otherwise his forum is dead , junk with the same brain numbed posters writing tripe .
Lets just see if you can demolish his review , about evidence right ?
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 28, 2012 23:17:18 GMT -5
surf Not J Mann , I actually thought it would make a good thread , since there is a review paper linked . Yes its obviously a stir job , if there was none of this on golf forum , I will bet you everything that the forum will be dead in the water fast. Why do you think Manzella goes nutzo over snt morad or whatever every now and again , otherwise his forum is dead , junk with the same brain numbed posters writing tripe . Lets just see if you can demolish his review , about evidence right ? coco- I read it and thought some was pretty good. If you have specific questions, fire away. Jeff
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Post by teeace on Jan 29, 2012 2:28:57 GMT -5
I have never seen worse image of golf swing release than this perfectgolfswingreview.net/AuthorTennis%20Stroke.jpg And the best part is that this guy tells he understands the biomechanics in golf swing, when he even don't understand the right moves. He should learn a bit of golf and then also to see things as 3D and with hi-speed instead of always showing images about 2-4 feet past impact when other forces than body actions takes the vault. I think Kelvins knowledge and understanding is really on high level, but we can always have different opinions about cause and effect. Anyway I couldn't see cocoboy's opinions there, so could someone guide me more.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 29, 2012 10:51:37 GMT -5
Just so you know teeace , I dont agree with your palmer flexion video and totally agree with Jeff Mann . Problem is that you feel you are a biomechanics expert , and others have no clue . For instance my wife is actually a ortho surgeon and has more knowledge on these issues in her finger nail than you will ever have and she said you are way out to lunch on the issue of palmer flexion and its effect on the face at impact interval . But none of this is evidence , right , since you are the biggest blowhard on golf forums who can't swing it at all... your video is ludicrous .. you UD and twist the shaft .... pure palmer flex on its own will move the club head back and forth only.... Jeff knocks you out of the ballpark in this thread , but your head is so far up your ass you dont even know it gothamgolfblog.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tapio&action=display&thread=158As far as Jeff sayin Kelvin has no clue , well I think thats a bit out of the ballpark as well ...... so teeace you have cocoboys opinion on some of your junk Hello Coco, I just take issue with the fact that an ortho surgeon necessarily knows more than golf teachers on everything related to body motion. (not trying to offend your spouse at all) I think with anything, there needs to be experiments and trials to assess and examine. Things that are intuitive may not pan out in real life situations. Specifically, because there are so many ways to "twist" the wrists, it is not easy to conclude one is right and another wrong. If you care for, it will be helpful to know exactly what spouse is saying in reference to the point of discussion.
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Post by teeace on Jan 29, 2012 10:54:38 GMT -5
Just so you know teeace , I dont agree with your palmer flexion video and totally agree with Jeff Mann . Problem is that you feel you are a biomechanics expert , and others have no clue . For instance my wife is actually a ortho surgeon and has more knowledge on these issues in her finger nail than you will ever have and she said you are way out to lunch on the issue of palmer flexion and its effect on the face at impact interval . But none of this is evidence , right , since you are the biggest blowhard on golf forums who can't swing it at all... your video is ludicrous .. you UD and twist the shaft .... pure palmer flex on its own will move the club head back and forth only.... Jeff knocks you out of the ballpark in this thread , but your head is so far up your ass you dont even know it gothamgolfblog.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tapio&action=display&thread=158As far as Jeff sayin Kelvin has no clue , well I think thats a bit out of the ballpark as well ...... so teeace you have cocoboys opinion on some of your junk And you have one more nickname to run after me. I feel sad for you. But anyway thank you for your nice words and it's also fine that so many people like you in forums, just like they like Jeff Mann. Hmm.. yes but there is some UD at impact in every golf shot, and that's why PF twisted the shaft. Have you noticed that shaft is not on line with left forearm when playing golf and not parallel to the fingers also.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 29, 2012 11:20:39 GMT -5
golfdad , its bones and what they do , not golf coach ... so take issue all you like , I know who the real expert is and who is not tapio , I know very few people in forums .. dont feel sad , just realize that you just made his point by UD .... get it ... PF on its own wont twist anything I am not taking issues or sides. Half of the name mentioned I have no idea who they are anyway I just want to know if a medical specialist in this case has something more to add to the discussion. I care less about who is right or wrong according to you or someone else. Just lay out all the issues for everyone to see if you care. If you don't care to do that, that is ok with me, except I cannot accept someone's opinion simply because of his/her field of work. One thing I like Jeff's site is that he encourages people backing up opinions with some effort, instead of gesturing or posturing.
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Post by teeace on Jan 29, 2012 11:29:57 GMT -5
golfdad , its bones and what they do , not golf coach ... so take issue all you like , I know who the real expert is and who is not tapio , I know very few people in forums .. dont feel sad , just realize that you just made his point by UD .... get it ... PF on its own wont twist anything Anyway
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 29, 2012 11:56:34 GMT -5
Just so you know teeace , I dont agree with your palmer flexion video and totally agree with Jeff Mann . Problem is that you feel you are a biomechanics expert , and others have no clue . For instance my wife is actually a ortho surgeon and has more knowledge on these issues in her finger nail than you will ever have and she said you are way out to lunch on the issue of palmer flexion and its effect on the face at impact interval . But none of this is evidence , right , since you are the biggest blowhard on golf forums who can't swing it at all... your video is ludicrous .. you UD and twist the shaft .... pure palmer flex on its own will move the club head back and forth only.... Jeff knocks you out of the ballpark in this thread , but your head is so far up your ass you dont even know it gothamgolfblog.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tapio&action=display&thread=158As far as Jeff sayin Kelvin has no clue , well I think thats a bit out of the ballpark as well ...... so teeace you have cocoboys opinion on some of your junk golfdad , its bones and what they do , not golf coach ... so take issue all you like , I know who the real expert is and who is not tapio , I know very few people in forums .. dont feel sad , just realize that you just made his point by UD .... get it ... PF on its own wont twist anything coco- "Appeals to authority", even if the authority is your wife, don't count as evidence here. Post some real evidence or lose your posting privileges. There are plenty of other forums for gesturing and posturing. Jeff
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Post by teeace on Jan 29, 2012 12:16:37 GMT -5
put your lead hand on the club in a normal grip position and palmer flex , handle moves forward and face is open to target , surely you dont need a video for that simple basic concept But I do exactly that in my video and everyone can see the result. What about you post one of yours for evidence?
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