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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 9:43:50 GMT -5
golfdad- As usual, great question. This is just more of Manzella's "do as I say, not as the best ballstrikers, including the only one I teach, do". This picture says it all: Toms has rotated so well that he can't flip: that is a TEXT BOOK drive/hold release. And look at his stats (from Richie's 2011 PGS ebook). He exemplifies the strengths of a body rotating drive/holder: excellent with the driver and on long approaches: Advanced Total Driving: 12th Danger Zone (175 to 225 yards): 1st!!! Safe Zone (125 to 175): 12th Interestingly, his ballstriking stats deteriorate quite a bit as he gets closer to the hole: Birdie Zone: (75 to 125): 91st Perhaps he needs to work on "powering down" and quieting the body, like Steve Stricker, who is 4th in the Birdie Zone (but just 80th in Advanced Total Driving and 95th in the Danger Zone). Here they are both hitting wedges: Toms gets his hands much higher and has more body turn and wrist cock: boy, is he gonna bust it! At left arm horizontal, David's hips have already opened to the target, Stricker's remain closed: Toms continues to rotate fully, Stricker's body has fallen asleep: If I hadn't snipped the frame just as the ball is leaving the club, you'd think that was Stricker at address; David is facing the target: How many Trackman sessions do you think it will take David and Manzo to figure out how to "power down" David's wedge swing??? Jeff According to a tour caddy....Toms is a tapper....Now if you compare Stricker's driver swang to his iron swang you'll see a completely different set of alignments at the top.....I submit if he lined his hands and arms up with his driver like he does his irons...different story with the driver....He's way lifty with the driver....Stricker is THE BEST with the short clubs....this cat is an elite iron player....a birdie machine...check the stats....If he didn't have two different swings he'd be that good with the driver.....and so what if his address position looks like impact? How much do you need your body ripping through a freakin' wedge shot? This guy is unfreakin' believable with the short irons...hits it closer than anybody and makes more 5 to 15 foot putts......translates to low scores.
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 9:52:22 GMT -5
different alignments
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 9:52:37 GMT -5
Stricker is THE BEST with the short clubs....this cat is an elite iron player....a birdie machine...check the stats....If he didn't have two different swings he'd be that good with the driver.....and so what if his address position looks like impact? How much do you need your body ripping through a freakin' wedge shot? This guy is unfreakin' believable with the short irons...hits it closer than anybody and makes more 5 to 15 foot putts......translates to low scores.
Exactly my point, Richard. See this sentence in my post:
Perhaps he needs to work on "powering down" and quieting the body, like Steve Stricker, who is 4th in the Birdie Zone (but just 80th in Advanced Total Driving and 95th in the Danger Zone).
Were you home-schooled by any chance???
Jeff
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 9:55:28 GMT -5
Stricker is THE BEST with the short clubs....this cat is an elite iron player....a birdie machine...check the stats....If he didn't have two different swings he'd be that good with the driver.....and so what if his address position looks like impact? How much do you need your body ripping through a freakin' wedge shot? This guy is unfreakin' believable with the short irons...hits it closer than anybody and makes more 5 to 15 foot putts......translates to low scores. Exactly my point, Richard. Were you home-schooled by any chance??? Jeff But you threw poo on his swing........
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Post by teeace on Jan 31, 2012 9:55:51 GMT -5
Can trackman really see that? Sorry guys, poor joke, but I just had to ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 9:56:45 GMT -5
Stricker is THE BEST with the short clubs....this cat is an elite iron player....a birdie machine...check the stats....If he didn't have two different swings he'd be that good with the driver.....and so what if his address position looks like impact? How much do you need your body ripping through a freakin' wedge shot? This guy is unfreakin' believable with the short irons...hits it closer than anybody and makes more 5 to 15 foot putts......translates to low scores. Exactly my point, Richard. Were you home-schooled by any chance??? Jeff But you threw poo on his swing........ no i didn't...
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 9:59:20 GMT -5
Stricker is THE BEST with the short clubs....this cat is an elite iron player....a birdie machine...check the stats....If he didn't have two different swings he'd be that good with the driver.....and so what if his address position looks like impact? How much do you need your body ripping through a freakin' wedge shot? This guy is unfreakin' believable with the short irons...hits it closer than anybody and makes more 5 to 15 foot putts......translates to low scores. Exactly my point, Richard. See this sentence in my post: Perhaps he needs to work on "powering down" and quieting the body, like Steve Stricker, who is 4th in the Birdie Zone (but just 80th in Advanced Total Driving and 95th in the Danger Zone). Were you home-schooled by any chance??? Jeff Can't he just "turn softer"...
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 10:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 10:00:29 GMT -5
But you threw poo on his swing........ no i didn't... You have rubbed the acute angle dingdong doo doo on his face??? child please.
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 10:02:58 GMT -5
Can't he just "turn softer"...
Who? Toms? How do you "turn softer" using Trackman???
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Post by teeace on Jan 31, 2012 10:04:23 GMT -5
You have rubbed the acute angle dingdong doo doo on his face??? child please. English is not my native language, but I understood that Jeff was giving big credit to Steve Stricker about his short irons and birdie zone game. I couldn't find anything negative there. Maybe I just don't understand everything
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 10:05:42 GMT -5
You have rubbed the acute angle dingdong doo doo on his face??? child please.
Oh, you mean on Stricker's driver swing, that analysis I did a while ago on "moment of inertia", comparing him to Sadlowski? Yeah, Strick's a powder-puff.
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 31, 2012 10:07:54 GMT -5
You have rubbed the acute angle dingdong doo doo on his face??? child please. English is not my native language, but I understood that Jeff was giving big credit to Steve Stricker about his short irons and birdie zone game. I couldn't find anything negative there. Maybe I just don't understand everything Yeah thats what i got from it. I think the point of the comparision was to show why Stricker was a better player from the Birdie Zone than Toms.
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 10:07:57 GMT -5
Can't he just "turn softer"... Who? Toms? How do you "turn softer" using Trackman??? He turns really fast and he's a tapper...drive holder....looks like Stricker is a much better ball striker than Toms...according to pgatour.com stats junk. Staller obtuse angle dookey swang.
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 10:08:05 GMT -5
You have rubbed the acute angle dingdong doo doo on his face??? child please. English is not my native language, but I understood that Jeff was giving big credit to Steve Stricker about his short irons and birdie zone game. I couldn't find anything negative there. Maybe I just don't understand everything 12piece is talking about a different thread where I showed how little lag Stricker has compared to bombers like Sadlowski.
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