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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 10:33:41 GMT -5
2011 Stricker's got a whole litany of top 5 categories.....have a look. He's nasty. 2011 Toms was 34 in Ballstriking, Stricker was 100th. Toms was 6th in GIR, Stricker was 78th. You may think he's nasty, but he's not as good as Toms You can drill down more than that.....Stricker is freakin good....But essentially neither do what Jeffy is advocating....that's all I'm saying.....but I'm just a home skooled mongoloid with bad breath and stains on my pants. |
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 31, 2012 10:38:31 GMT -5
2011 Toms was 34 in Ballstriking, Stricker was 100th. Toms was 6th in GIR, Stricker was 78th. You may think he's nasty, but he's not as good as Toms You can drill down more than that.....Stricker is freakin good....But essentially neither do what Jeffy is advocating....that's all I'm saying.....but I'm just a home skooled mongoloid with bad breath and stains on my pants. Im not sure what you mean when you say "neither do what Jeffy is advocating" Jeffy has said that Toms has a Text book Drive/hold release, with a very nice continious pivot. And Stricker's Wedge swing is consistent with Kelvin's article of powering down on short shots. www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2012-01-short-game-swings.html |
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Post by richie3jack on Jan 31, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -5
Toms is a much better ballstriker than Stricker. The only difference is Stricker is a bit longer off the tee. Where Stricker makes up for it is that he's an incredible putter. Toms is anywhere from 'excellent' to 'average' with the putter. I think the difference is that usually Stricker is *one of the best* and can do it week in and week out. I think Toms' putting is ridiculously good when everything is said and done, but Stricker is a virtuoso with the putter.
The other part is that Stricker has a much better game around the green. I also think Stricker picks and chooses the tournaments he plays in more wisely.
3JACK
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 10:50:31 GMT -5
Toms is a much better ballstriker than Stricker. The only difference is Stricker is a bit longer off the tee. Where Stricker makes up for it is that he's an incredible putter. Toms is anywhere from 'excellent' to 'average' with the putter. I think the difference is that usually Stricker is *one of the best* and can do it week in and week out. I think Toms' putting is ridiculously good when everything is said and done, but Stricker is a virtuoso with the putter. The other part is that Stricker has a much better game around the green. I also think Stricker picks and chooses the tournaments he plays in more wisely. 3JACK According to 2011 PGA tour stats....the dude hits it inside of 20 feet as good as if not better than anybody on tour from 150 to 75 yards and then makes more from 5 to 15 feet than anybody. All I'm saying is most of the cats dicking around on golf forums and playing "average length courses" instead playing for a living may be better off figuring out what he is doing than some cat that bombs it a million yards..... |
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 10:54:57 GMT -5
You can drill down more than that.....Stricker is freakin good....But essentially neither do what Jeffy is advocating....that's all I'm saying.....but I'm just a home skooled mongoloid with bad breath and stains on my pants. Im not sure what you mean when you say "neither do what Jeffy is advocating" Jeffy has said that Toms has a Text book Drive/hold release, with a very nice continious pivot. And Stricker's Wedge swing is consistent with Kelvin's article of powering down on short shots. www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2012-01-short-game-swings.htmlSure but Toms is a relative tapper .... so just because you turn good and drive hold don't translate into bombs....and he does the same thing with the wedges and seems to be pretty good at that? |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 10:56:33 GMT -5
Toms is a much better ballstriker than Stricker. The only difference is Stricker is a bit longer off the tee. Where Stricker makes up for it is that he's an incredible putter. Toms is anywhere from 'excellent' to 'average' with the putter. I think the difference is that usually Stricker is *one of the best* and can do it week in and week out. I think Toms' putting is ridiculously good when everything is said and done, but Stricker is a virtuoso with the putter. The other part is that Stricker has a much better game around the green. I also think Stricker picks and chooses the tournaments he plays in more wisely. 3JACK According to 2011 PGA tour stats....the dude hits it inside of 20 feet as good as if not better than anybody on tour from 150 to 75 yards and then makes more from 5 to 15 feet than anybody. All I'm saying is most of the cats dicking around on golf forums and playing "average length courses" instead playing for a living may be better off figuring out what he is doing than some cat that bombs it a million yards..... Oh, the point of all this is "golf isn't golf swing"? Yeah, I learned that a long time ago. Got that part down, thanks. Just want to add the "bombing" part now. Thanks for your concern! |
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Post by gatorgolf on Jan 31, 2012 10:59:50 GMT -5
Sure but Toms is a relative tapper .... so just because you turn good and drive hold don't translate into bombs....and he does the same thing with the wedges and seems to be pretty good at that? No Toms is worse with wedges. He was 91st from 75-125 in the birdie zone. Review Kelvins article i linked if you want to learn how to improve your wedge game. |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 11:04:38 GMT -5
Sure but Toms is a relative tapper .... so just because you turn good and drive hold don't translate into bombs
Yep, releases his lag early but still manages a drive/hold and dinks it where ever he wants it. Similar to Heath Slocum, Shane Bertsch, Zach Johnson. Just because you don't flip or roll doesn't mean you bomb it. Where'd I ever say that?
....and he does the same thing with the wedges and seems to be pretty good at that?
Relative to his longer shots, no, Toms sucks with the wedges. Needs to power down. Whole point of that post of mine you quoted.
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Post by richie3jack on Jan 31, 2012 11:11:32 GMT -5
According to 2011 PGA tour stats....the dude hits it inside of 20 feet as good as if not better than anybody on tour from 150 to 75 yards and then makes more from 5 to 15 feet than anybody. All I'm saying is most of the cats dicking around on golf forums and playing "average length courses" instead playing for a living may be better off figuring out what he is doing than some cat that bombs it a million yards..... The problem with using the Tour's stats, particularly with such a wide margin for yardages (75 to 150 yards) is that it doesn't account for the golfer who has closer shots from that yardage. Let's say both Stricker and Toms both hit 100 shots from that *range*. But, if we delve in further, if 90% of Stricker's shots are from 75-90 yards while 80% of Toms' shots are from 135-150 yards...who do you think is going to hit it closer? That doesn't mean that Stricker is actually more skilled. With my metrics I utilize a formula that cancels out that difference greatly. Anyway, here's the breakdown: DRIVING Toms: 12th Stricker: 80th BIRDIE ZONE Toms: 91st Stricker: 4th SAFE ZONE Toms: 12th Stricker: 55th DANGER ZONE Toms: 1st Stricker: 95th My feeling is that the average amateur most likely needs more help with his driving than his wedge game. I also feel that if they can get better with their long irons (Danger Zone shots), they'll likely get better with their mid and short irons. I believe that if one can hit a 3-iron flush most of the time, they certainly can do it with a 7-iron and a PW. But, it doesn't always work the other way around. 3JACK |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 11:17:06 GMT -5
That picture ain't of Eldrick...that looks like Schwag to me....but I was home skooled and can't do no comprehension...
This clip by Kelvin shows you Eldrick next to Schwag so you can compare it to the lifeless Stricker, if you need the visual. Just didn't want to bother doing another V1 analysis.
Stricker makes more birdies in two weeks than you've made your whole life.
Right. Because of his wedge game and putting. Got it. Any other news flashes??
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 11:26:30 GMT -5
That picture ain't of Eldrick...that looks like Schwag to me....but I was home skooled and can't do no comprehension...This clip by Kelvin shows you Eldrick next to Schwag so you can compare it to the lifeless Stricker, if you need the visual. Just didn't want to bother doing another V1 analysis. Stricker makes more birdies in two weeks than you've made your whole life. Right. Because of his wedge game and putting. Got it. Any other news flashes?? Kelvin...qoute....take your pick..... is that tongue and cheek? Equivalents? One better'n the other one? Or does it depend? Please note I AIN'T advocating Sticker's pivot.....I'm advocating Stricker's Flying Wedges and their alignments.....I agree pivot not so good....Flying Wedges....AWESOME in my mind. |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 11:37:40 GMT -5
Kelvin...qoute....take your pick..... is that tongue and cheek? Equivalents? One better'n the other one? Or does it depend?
Revolving door is preferred because it generates more speed. More speed means more distance and more distance is good, perhaps under-rated by Richie's analysis. You should really read his conclusions on pages VI, VII and VIII in the beginning of his ebook before proceeding any further here. You're just too far behind!
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Post by 12piecebucket on Jan 31, 2012 11:44:09 GMT -5
Kelvin...qoute....take your pick..... is that tongue and cheek? Equivalents? One better'n the other one? Or does it depend?Revolving door is preferred because it generates more speed. More speed means more distance and more distance is good, perhaps under-rated by Richie's analysis. You should really read his conclusions on pages VI, VII and VIII in the beginning of his ebook before proceeding any further here. You're just too far behind! How does revolving door generate more speed? Seems like Kelvin said "take your pick"? Was that a shot at the current Eldrick swing? |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 31, 2012 11:54:25 GMT -5
Kelvin...qoute....take your pick..... is that tongue and cheek? Equivalents? One better'n the other one? Or does it depend?Revolving door is preferred because it generates more speed. More speed means more distance and more distance is good, perhaps under-rated by Richie's analysis. You should really read his conclusions on pages VI, VII and VIII in the beginning of his ebook before proceeding any further here. You're just too far behind! That's your homework assignment! You'll find everything you need in Kelvin's articles (hint: with the revolving door you have both sets of glutes and hip adductors applying rotational force; slamming the door uses mostly the right side with very little left side. More muscles = more energy...). Seems like Kelvin said "take your pick"? Was that a shot at the current Eldrick swing?Yep. Taken a look at his driving distance lately, among other things??? |
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 31, 2012 13:49:24 GMT -5
Kelvin...qoute....take your pick..... is that tongue and cheek? Equivalents? One better'n the other one? Or does it depend?Revolving door is preferred because it generates more speed. More speed means more distance and more distance is good, perhaps under-rated by Richie's analysis. You should really read his conclusions on pages VI, VII and VIII in the beginning of his ebook before proceeding any further here. You're just too far behind! That's your homework assignment! You'll find everything you need in Kelvin's articles (hint: with the revolving door you have both sets of glutes and hip adductors applying rotational force; slamming the door uses mostly the right side with very little left side. More muscles = more energy...). Seems like Kelvin said "take your pick"? Was that a shot at the current Eldrick swing?Yep. Taken a look at his driving distance lately, among other things??? It seemed like he had no problem hitting it with Rory this weekend, and thats after 9 surgeries to a 22 year old kid. |
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