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Post by golfdad on Jan 23, 2012 21:17:43 GMT -5
Worked on the driver today after using irons for about a week, thinking that shorter clubs are probably easier to manage timing wise. What I like about this swing, correct me if I am wrong:), are that 1. the squat looks more symmetrical,,,in her case, it means she did not explode into the left side too early. 2. Jeff may like her weight distribution better with this back swing.  3. able to time lower limb internal rotation/adduction with ball impact reasonably well. I can see some lower limb acceleration into the impact. 4. does not seem to have flipped through impact. What i don't like or find questionable, correct me if I am wrong:), are that 1. knee squat looks shallower to me. 2. hip turn does not seem to have rotated enough. 3. I am not too sure if the above 2 issues are due to techniques (most likely) or physicality issues (possible as well) since to come up from a depth from the squat requires some explosive power which I am not sure if she has. |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 23, 2012 23:18:59 GMT -5
golfdad- All I can say is that is the BEST swing ever! I want you to coach me next season and, if you don't mind, please fly out to Arizona this winter and fix gmbtempe! What Anina is doing is sick! Lexi who??? Annika who?  ? Take care, Jeff |
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Post by golfdad on Jan 24, 2012 10:30:20 GMT -5
I am developing a big head participating in this board:)
I will help out if both of you sign up for the Champion's Tour first:) Could end up as 2 biggest malpractice cases in golf history:)
Seriously, her progress is steady because of your influence and suggestions. Also it is a validation of Kelvin's work, that it can be duplicated without even hands on instruction. Probably not an efficient way to learn, but his writing is comprehensive and your ongoing explanation, very helpful.
So take a large chunk of the credit if you think we are on track. Can't thank you both enough.
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2012 11:15:37 GMT -5
I want to add one thing for her practice. And as you know me, then the things are working really fine ;D Tell her to keep her finish position after every shot and count to 5. Whatever has happened before, go to the finish position and stay there totally balanced. It's sometimes hard to get people understand that meaning it has. Everyone says that who cares, the ball is gone already. But practicing that your brains start to guide you to the balance at the every moment at swing. They learn that the balance (our strongest instinct btw) is our biggest intention and the complete movement starts to follow that idea. Keep on good fork and nice to see no crocs there  |
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Post by golfdad on Jan 24, 2012 11:23:32 GMT -5
Thanks teeace,,, I am also grateful to you for your kindness and suggestions along the way. It is an heartening experience to see and feel genuine goodness coming across the internet.
We really have to be more careful with crocs knowing that you are lurking out there:) In fact, I specifically bought a pair of shoes just for the basement for her,,,next thing you know, she took them to school to use for gym!
There is a lot of wisdom holding after the shot,,,will try to incorporate that. Do you also suggest that to your students for putting?
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Post by golfdad on Jan 24, 2012 11:29:53 GMT -5
compassgolf, does that mean if I make a chair with 4 legs, I need to find the first guy who did it and pony up some royalty fee? A good video, thanks. A little hold action if I may add. Now why can't you guys talk each other like the soft spoken older gentleman in the video? Grrrrrrrr. |
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Post by compassgolf on Jan 24, 2012 11:59:03 GMT -5
compassgolf, does that mean if I make a chair with 4 legs, I need to find the first guy who did it and pony up some royalty fee? exactly..... |
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2012 12:01:00 GMT -5
but, teeace.....isn't this "holding the finish" business stolen from ben doyle and his shoot-hold-rest mantra? i really would like teachers to assign credit to the instructors they have "borrowed" ideas from....right, footwedge? Might be, but I don't know from whom Doyle stole it and I don't even remember where I stoled it, but for sure it was not Doyle... damn... now I remember something... it might be that I stole it from Leadbetter from his book The Golf Swing. It was my first book when I started at -91 and studies it carefully. So I'm not even sure if it was stolen, because I bought the book But where I really stole it was Jose Manuel Lara and Sergio Garcia in driving range about 10 years ago. Watching those guys standing there so long after every shot so balanced I started to thing why? And also when every position was so similar, I started to think how much they have practiced it. A lot was my conclusion. A LOT! I cam back home and that was in my head all the time, until I went back to Spain 2 weeks later. At the first day I played 69 with one lost ball just focusing the finish position. After that I have used every possibility to share that thing with all the people and telling how important it is to practice it. I have also stolen many other things from different guys like grip and good posture, but I think they don't feel bad for that. As well I don't feel bad if you use my words telling people what is important and help them to get better. I'm not the inventor of golf, so I just need to share things that people has found in this 500 years and tell which one of them are working in my opinion. This is one the best. |
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Post by golfdad on Jan 24, 2012 12:17:53 GMT -5
but neither footwedge nor brian post on this particular thread, so your citizen arrest of teeace may be a bit over-reaching and topic jumping:)
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2012 12:25:46 GMT -5
teeace, i completely agree with you....i was just pointing out the hilarity of footwedge calling out brian on "stealing" a drill from peter croker.......these guys can't have it both ways....and now a video - ] Yep, I think we both wrote those last post with the smile on our face, at least I did... with big smile. But seriously I agree with foot wedge here and if I learn some drill from someone, I always use his name when using it. When talking about some common drills or general teaching, it's impossible. When I teach my way of bsw, I feel I need to mention Martin Ayers because he ditched on the light for main part of that, even we don't got everything exactly same. When I teach club head dropping behind of me, I don't always mention Bradley Hughes in that matter, because I started to teach that 15 years before I heard anything about Bradleys ideas. Some people might think later that I stole it from him, but for me it's always enough when I know I'm doing it right way and can't explain everything to everybody. So in this moment, thank's for Robb Nunn about the chipping drill with ball between the shaft and right forearm. I think Robb is not at the forums, but just use the possibility to thank him |
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Post by footwedge on Jan 24, 2012 12:31:21 GMT -5
Might be, but I don't know from whom Doyle stole it and I don't even remember where I stoled it, but for sure it was not Doyle... damn... now I remember something... it might be that I stole it from Leadbetter from his book The Golf Swing. It was my first book when I started at -91 and studies it carefully. So I'm not even sure if it was stolen, because I bought the book But where I really stole it was Jose Manuel Lara and Sergio Garcia in driving range about 10 years ago. Watching those guys standing there so long after every shot so balanced I started to thing why? And also when every position was so similar, I started to think how much they have practiced it. A lot was my conclusion. A LOT! I cam back home and that was in my head all the time, until I went back to Spain 2 weeks later. At the first day I played 69 with one lost ball just focusing the finish position. After that I have used every possibility to share that thing with all the people and telling how important it is to practice it. I have also stolen many other things from different guys like grip and good posture, but I think they don't feel bad for that. As well I don't feel bad if you use my words telling people what is important and help them to get better. I'm not the inventor of golf, so I just need to share things that people has found in this 500 years and tell which one of them are working in my opinion. This is one the best. teeace, i completely agree with you....i was just pointing out the hilarity of footwedge calling out brian on "stealing" a drill from peter croker.......these guys can't have it both ways....and now a video -  Just giving credit to the person your method is derived from. He had it before you and it's documented. Brian basically didmissed it as the worst thing he ever tried on the lesson tee, right on his forum it's in the archives, now it's "the holy grail" and comes from a TGM'er ....that's hilarious. Humble pie is been served, you and Brian should eat the biggest slice. Looks good on you... douchebag. |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 24, 2012 12:52:02 GMT -5
I want to add one thing for her practice. And as you know me, then the things are working really fine ;D Tell her to keep her finish position after every shot and count to 5. Whatever has happened before, go to the finish position and stay there totally balanced. It's sometimes hard to get people understand that meaning it has. Everyone says that who cares, the ball is gone already. But practicing that your brains start to guide you to the balance at the every moment at swing. They learn that the balance (our strongest instinct btw) is our biggest intention and the complete movement starts to follow that idea. Keep on good fork and nice to see no crocs there but, teeace.....isn't this "holding the finish" business stolen from ben doyle and his shoot-hold-rest mantra? i really would like teachers to assign credit to the instructors they have "borrowed" ideas from....right, footwedge? Mike- Nice try, but insufficient evidence establishing that "hold the finish" originated with Ben Doyle. In the 1970s growing up, the club pros at the Hartford Golf Club in West Hartford, CT were teaching "hold the finish". Frankly, that one is as old as the hills: John Schlee included it in "Maximum Golf". Sorry, post deleted due to lack evidence. Try again. Jeff |
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 24, 2012 12:58:20 GMT -5
Might be, but I don't know from whom Doyle stole it and I don't even remember where I stoled it, but for sure it was not Doyle... damn... now I remember something... it might be that I stole it from Leadbetter from his book The Golf Swing. It was my first book when I started at -91 and studies it carefully. So I'm not even sure if it was stolen, because I bought the book But where I really stole it was Jose Manuel Lara and Sergio Garcia in driving range about 10 years ago. Watching those guys standing there so long after every shot so balanced I started to thing why? And also when every position was so similar, I started to think how much they have practiced it. A lot was my conclusion. A LOT! I cam back home and that was in my head all the time, until I went back to Spain 2 weeks later. At the first day I played 69 with one lost ball just focusing the finish position. After that I have used every possibility to share that thing with all the people and telling how important it is to practice it. I have also stolen many other things from different guys like grip and good posture, but I think they don't feel bad for that. As well I don't feel bad if you use my words telling people what is important and help them to get better. I'm not the inventor of golf, so I just need to share things that people has found in this 500 years and tell which one of them are working in my opinion. This is one the best. teeace, i completely agree with you....i was just pointing out the hilarity of footwedge calling out brian on "stealing" a drill from peter croker.......these guys can't have it both ways....and now a video - Mike- Actually, that's up to me! Post deleted due to lack of evidence. Try again. Jeff |
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Post by golfdad on Jan 26, 2012 8:08:17 GMT -5
Something broke in my basement last night. She has been swinging in the 90s mph range, since working on Kelvin's micro moves, which is already a vast improvement comparing with her baseline high 70s and lower 80s 1-2 month ago. Yesterday, she entered the year of the dragon by unleashing one into the triple digits, 100 mph to be exact, for the first time in her life (on the swing radar gadget). To celebrate, she is going to pass out some virtual Hawaiian Fruit Punch with a New York twist of lemon. But wait,,,here is a little nourishment to the brain as well, a quiz. Below are 2 swings from last night. One is 97 mph, the other 100 mph. I want to drive home the message about a point made recently about one of Kelvin's moves. Can you tell which swing produced the 100 mph speed? What do you attribute it to? (opps, let's hope teeace is busy today since I forgot to remind her about holding the finish 1. 2. |
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Post by golfdad on Jan 26, 2012 8:10:23 GMT -5
Duplicate post Allow me to bring up another point, that it is clear to me with this new swing, her clubface into impact is much more stable than the one from her prior stall and flip and jump crap. I wish I can take pic out of the video at the moment of impact to show it here,,,I was able to pause it on my own camera. Next step,,,take some better pics under better lighting from couple more angles for Kelvin to do another review. And, bring it outside and train her to hit full tank every single time. I think it may be a tough task given her recent past of holding back. Need to rebuild her confidence. |
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Just giving credit to the person your method is derived from. He had it before you and it's documented. Brian basically didmissed it as the worst thing he ever tried on the lesson tee, right on his forum it's in the archives, now it's "the holy grail" and comes from a TGM'er ....that's hilarious.