|
Post by golfdad on Jan 20, 2012 21:55:39 GMT -5
Thanks to Jeff and Kelvin, my younger one is honored and privileged to take several online lessons from Kelvin. I have just submitted these 2 clips to Kelvin for another critique. I was planning to do it outside this weekend but the weather looks bad, so basement we went but the quality of the tape is bad. Since I am not good with computers, I will just ask him to post his analysis directly here for everyone's viewing, since some of you may be interested in her progress as well as his approach. To quickly recap. She is 11 yo and a proficient golfer, but as with everyone, there are always issues to deal with. The challenge is whether we have the time to work on it,,,or, perhaps more importantly, the courage to climb another peak. She is not interested to pursue golf seriously, which is absolutely okay by me, but, as with everything else in her life, I expect her to give a good effort in doing the right thing. I happen to believe with her current swing, the stronger she gets, the faster she swings, the more she will hold back because,,,because she is already starting to do so the past year:) She feels that she can't stop the flip of the wrists if she goes all out. We realize that she is a big time staller because she has a strong tendency to push to the left side and spin around the left leg. During this winter off season, I feel strongly that she needs to give Kelvin's ideas a solid try. Since everyday in her life she listens to my crazy ideas anyway, she participates in good spirit. In the past several lessons, Kelvin made it plenty clear about her issues and how to rid of her bad tendencies. But online lesson has its challenges because it is not hands on. So on a daily basis, we went down to the basement and try this way and that way in order to get Kelvin's ideas in place. Not easy, no real quantum jumps but with time, things start to clarify a bit and her body starts to feel the right feel a bit. There are surely a lot of moments of frustration on her part and mine since she tries hard to please and I can be quite short at times:) As one violin teacher used to say: if we learn slowly, we forget slowly, too:) Things I try to remind her currently are: don't jump off the right foot, right elbow tug in and ext rot, lateral bend, turn hip completely through, etc So here are the 2 clips from today. Let's see what Kelvin has to say.
|
|
|
Post by kelvin on Jan 21, 2012 16:53:59 GMT -5
She's doing much better. Just need a few tweaks in timing.
K
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 21, 2012 17:32:49 GMT -5
Thank you for your guidance, Kelvin. It is certainly not easy to move away from her old pattern; at the same time, it is not easy to truly correctly interpret each move of the new pattern, let alone putting them all together. But, as I said, things are getting more digestible with each session with you and downstairs.
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 21, 2012 19:08:32 GMT -5
Yea you can see great rotation just out of sequence.
What is the fix? Is it a matter of using more upper core muscles to pull the club head at a faster rate before the rotation really kicks in?
In TGM lingual it seems like she is not releasing PA #4 early and fast enough (PA4 is the left arm blasting off the chest wall).
If your daughter wants I will trade her some of my non rotation for some of her rotation.
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 21, 2012 21:30:34 GMT -5
Hi gmb, I am not very familiar with TGM lingo (actually I lied,,,no familiar at all:) but my understanding from Kevlin's analysis is that she needs to try to hold the right leg ER in place longer. Funny thing is that when Jeff first introduced us to Kelvin's work, she was doing the right leg ER although missing other pieces:) When one is clueless, one tends to lose things more easily, haha.
I think she is at the stage where she is getting closer and that is when everything affects everything. The missing right leg ER changes the way or the timing of how body rotates.
Have you ever seen an act where the performer spins plates on sticks? He starts with one and after he spins the 4th or 5th one, the first one looks wobbly so the audience screams so he rushes back,,,Both you and Anina should feel like that:) It is a bit overwhelming and may get worse before it gets better, but I think with time, if you truly do the right moves correctly, things should fall into place.
You may want to consult with Kelvin. Judging from how he evaluated Anina's swing today, I think you may also need to revisit the timing of ER on both legs.
Ok, I just beamed some virtual excess hip rotation your way:)
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 21, 2012 21:35:25 GMT -5
I am having trouble with the concept of "holding", I guess I think more in sequencing.
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 21, 2012 21:57:52 GMT -5
If you look at how Snead went about it, you should see how he used ER from both legs to almost form a foundation upon which hips and upper body rotate on. I am not sure if Kelvin/Jeff agree with that, but that is the image in my head.
My kid was missing the Right side ER, so her right leg quickly washed over to the left side and in her case, it lead to her hip rotation accomplished too early. With arms lagging behind, she had to flip to square the club.
I don't know enough so don't feel comfortable saying much on your swing; also, I don't watch you on a daily basis:) but I feel your legs need to be realigned as well, probably differently from what my kid needs to work on.
In one point of Kelvin's analysis, he pointed out where Snead's arms were when he was still holding the right leg ER. I think you need to check that out to get some ideas on sequence, location and timing.
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 21, 2012 22:03:44 GMT -5
If you look at how Snead went about it, you should see how he used ER from both legs to almost form a foundation upon which hips and upper body rotate on. I am not sure if Kelvin/Jeff agree with that, but that is the image in my head. My kid was missing the Right side ER, so her right leg quickly washed over to the left side and in her case, it lead to her hip rotation accomplished too early. With arms lagging behind, she had to flip to square the club. I don't know enough so don't feel comfortable saying much on your swing; also, I don't watch you on a daily basis:) but I feel your legs need to be realigned as well, probably differently from what my kid needs to work on. In one point of Kelvin's analysis, he pointed out where Snead's arms were when he was still holding the right leg ER. I think you need to check that out to get some ideas on sequence, location and timing. Yea I am just trying to grasp conceptually and not relating it to a motion I would run out and work on.
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 21, 2012 22:26:52 GMT -5
We have a large mirror in the basement so often I sent her over to look at what she thought she was doing.
I think it may help to do some repetitions in front of a mirror where you can check instantly if you are doing what you feel you are doing.
I think conceptually, the big difference for my kid and me is how Kelvin defines and teaches hip rotation. I think it is best understood in the context of his writing, knowing where and how he developed his knowledge base and passion for this particular way of doing things in golf.
|
|
|
Post by gmbtempe on Jan 22, 2012 0:21:28 GMT -5
If you look at how Snead went about it, you should see how he used ER from both legs to almost form a foundation upon which hips and upper body rotate on. I am not sure if Kelvin/Jeff agree with that, but that is the image in my head. I think this picture shows what you are talking about, Brian Gay has little external rotation in the knees during transition, Quiros has a lot more than most, and then there is Jamie who frankly is a bit of a freak.
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 22, 2012 7:22:56 GMT -5
Yes, I think that is a fair assessment on all 3 players in those pics, emphasizing jamie being a freak:)
On another level, it kinda freaks me out how some players from different background or even different teaching tracks end up more or less in this jamie pose,,,how did they collectively figure it out??? They tend to be more powerful, but I maintain that possibly more accurate, which may sound contradictory to the known stats. But there is a thread in Richie's site on this,,,that possibly the longer players because of the distance they deliver will end up more often off the target not because they are empirically more inaccurate but that their smaller mistakes become amplified through distance covered.
I think this jamie pose shall be a good pic in mind as both you and my kid go forward. To me, the money is at when the ER turns to IR and the 2 lower limbs come together in a thrust AND that at that moment your clubface contacts the ball. Currently I see in my kid most of the time she cannot do that because of her sequencing and timing issues--or even physical conditioning issues-- but we will work on it. This is when a casio camera and a dad come in handy,,hehe.
If you review lexi's swing, although she has questionable parts, but take a look when she contacts the ball what her legs do...
even though she skipped the ER segment, she still tries to go into IR from neutral to gain the speed from the her legs and she times it well with ball contact. Most girls can't and don't know how to do that.
Isn't that another exhibition of paracentric acceleration on a macro level?
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 22, 2012 20:18:02 GMT -5
so today we tried a bit of holding the right knee in ER and here is the basement low quality update:
|
|
|
Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 22, 2012 21:10:52 GMT -5
so today we tried a bit of holding the right knee in ER and here is the basement low quality update: golfdad- THAT is so awesome!!! That is the best looking swing I've ever seen (well, almost!)! Jeff
|
|
|
Post by No3PuTT on Jan 23, 2012 0:17:38 GMT -5
golfdadI really like how dynamic your daughter's swing is. Been reading your posts for a couple of months now. I am impressed with both you and your daughter's work ethic towards improvement. I was a Div 1 college athlete and my father and I had the same work ethic. We were studying baseball swing mechanics and looking at video in the late 90's when no one we knew were utilizing this method. From one father to another I think you are doing a great job. Hopefully in a few years when my daughter is old enough to start swinging a club she and I will have that same type of relationship Jerad
|
|
|
Post by golfdad on Jan 23, 2012 7:46:31 GMT -5
Hello Jeff,,,if that is the case, then you must acknowledge that you pointed the direction to Kelvin's recipe. I think she is getting the idea more readily but often it is still fleeting and unstable, so we will continue to work on it and pay attention to timing and sequencing...just like playing music, hehe. Hey thanks Jerad. I think you will enjoy the journey immensely because it is essentially like planting a seed and going through the process of gardening it. You being an athlete yourself will certainly help. I don't remember how many people have come up to us in the driving range and say: wish my dad worked with me when I was your age...and then sighed... Now that the social media has taken over the world, the child-parent social medium becomes even more important and precious. The best to you and your kid!
|
|