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Post by clearwater on Jan 30, 2012 23:17:35 GMT -5
Shes doing great and from what i found of her swing from a few years ago, shes now on a much better course to improve!
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Post by golfdad on Jan 31, 2012 7:50:26 GMT -5
Thank you for the positive words. We have been playing instinct golf where she figures things out on the course. Because she is 11, there is really not much competition around to simulate or inspire her even if she does some things wrong and others not exactly correctly. Because she can score reasonably well, we have been letting it slide. But I think this is a good juncture to look more closely before it is too late to turn things around. Karma and chance lead me to Jeff and Kelvin. There are many schools of solid teaching and many very excellent teachers out there, such as yourself, so on some level, it is exceedingly confusing who to listen to. I think Kelvin's body of work is a good foundation for us to formalize her golf understanding and skills. My kid is not as crazy as golf as many kids with half of her abilities so I don't want to push it upon her beyond her comfort level. I think she may have the potential to go quite far with it, but as we know the most important factors in becoming really good at something are passion, hard work and dedication which she lacks. She loves to win but her temperament in grinding it out during practice is not impressive. I don't know what future holds in terms of how she manages different aspects of golf learning. I am just here bringing the pony to the water, encouraging her to drink if she is thirsty The other realistic obstacle is our relatively long off season because of the weather. She is usually at her prime around Aug and Sept and then our season dwindles to a close soon after that. Every spring it is a pain to try to regain shape and form. clearwater,,,do you have younger girls as student or you know of? I wonder if you have films of their swings to share? One thing that I am curious about if whether there is a developmental correspondence on golf swing, that there is a different set of criteria based on age...
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Post by golfdad on Jan 31, 2012 20:12:10 GMT -5
Kelvin left 4-5 pieces of homework for us and we are trying to tackle them one by one. One issue is that at impact, her left knee was in flexion, which I think in and by itself causes a lot of problems, possibly affecting hip turn and power transfer among other goodies. So here we are using partial shots to try to learn the new timing. Not as easy as you may think! Without a slow mo video it is difficult to tell. After working on different ways, I think she finally found a way that works for her.. Thanks Kelvin for picking this up!
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Post by teeace on Feb 1, 2012 3:46:08 GMT -5
clearwater,,,do you have younger girls as student or you know of? I wonder if you have films of their swings to share? One thing that I am curious about if whether there is a developmental correspondence on golf swing, that there is a different set of criteria based on age... I'm not clearwater but I got one 13y old with whom I started to work couple of months ago. Still long journey, but the basics starts to feel decent For the moment her hands are more forward at impact and impact pressure is much better as well the lower body is rotating in more narrow box. We will get out to play in two weeks so I can see her first time on grass and see the real results.
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Post by andreaskali on Feb 1, 2012 7:14:34 GMT -5
The videos are private
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Post by teeace on Feb 1, 2012 7:30:51 GMT -5
Sorry. Now it should be Ok
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Post by golfdad on Feb 1, 2012 8:09:16 GMT -5
Teeace, thanks for sharing. A lot of good stuff to like indeed! In particular, I favor the way she sets her lag. Do you find it often that younger kids once they have a decent lag they tend to flip at impact because their cores are not strong enough to release the body enough? Hey, are you going to incorporate some of Kelvin's move?
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Post by teeace on Feb 1, 2012 8:24:19 GMT -5
Teeace, thanks for sharing. A lot of good stuff to like indeed! In particular, I favor the way she sets her lag. Do you find it often that younger kids once they have a decent lag they tend to flip at impact because their cores are not strong enough to release the body enough? Hey, are you going to incorporate some of Kelvin's move? 3 x yes The flip is also produced by little faults in her body movement directions still and she got somehow blocked just before impact. That's few weeks old video and now she's doing it bit better. When you watch it (DTL) carefully, there is kind of stop before impact, because the right side pops out and she have to drag it back to the line and that's enough to cause flipping even she doesn't try it. That's why I don't like normal speed videos because that kind of small things are hidden there. So I don't think its about weakness, rather moving direction that prevents her flooding motion through. We are now working with right shoulder external rotation to bring the right elbow more toward the target line from transition and also better rotation of the right arm in bsw. Her basic moves are quite fine IMO, but she has to get the idea how she can stand away from herself when coming to impact. I hope in one year we can start to learn from the game.
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Post by golfdad on Feb 1, 2012 9:09:08 GMT -5
That's very wise of you to incorporate other teachers' ideas to your own students' benefit. I wish more golf teachers follow this trend and push golf teaching forward in a more positive and productive way. She has a very fluid motion which may be taught or may be talent. Either way, it is great you both find each other! How many months of golf can you guys play outside?
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Post by teeace on Feb 1, 2012 9:23:28 GMT -5
That's very wise of you to incorporate other teachers' ideas to your own students' benefit. I wish more golf teachers follow this trend and push golf teaching forward in a more positive and productive way. She has a very fluid motion which may be taught or may be talent. Either way, it is great you both find each other! How many months of golf can you guys play outside? Actually I have been teaching that elbow move since -96, so it's not really something new for me That's why I like so much Kelvins studies, because, since he has also opened my eyes in many cases, he has confirmed so many of my own thoughts and also given good and exact definitions and names for those as I'm not so deep in biomechanics. In Finland if you like to put at rough, we start playing at end of april or beginning of may (in southern part) and it continues normally to end of october. But as I feel it, we can have decent conditions from june to middle of september. So not too much and we have to get these players out of this country when they start to progress.
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Post by golfdad on Feb 1, 2012 9:37:02 GMT -5
That's very wise of you to incorporate other teachers' ideas to your own students' benefit. I wish more golf teachers follow this trend and push golf teaching forward in a more positive and productive way. She has a very fluid motion which may be taught or may be talent. Either way, it is great you both find each other! How many months of golf can you guys play outside? Actually I have been teaching that elbow move since -96, so it's not really something new for me That's why I like so much Kelvins studies, because, since he has also opened my eyes in many cases, he has confirmed so many of my own thoughts and also given good and exact definitions and names for those as I'm not so deep in biomechanics. In Finland if you like to put at rough, we start playing at end of april or beginning of may (in southern part) and it continues normally to end of october. But as I feel it, we can have decent conditions from june to middle of september. So not too much and we have to get these players out of this country when they start to progress. I agree many observant, thoughtful teachers should in their ways come to similar conclusions, so it is great that you can set example on how to give and take among the brethren. When your players go "out" do they go to other parts of Europe or USA?
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Post by teeace on Feb 1, 2012 9:48:55 GMT -5
[ When your players go "out" do they go to other parts of Europe or USA? I try to get my players to US colleges but only one has been there. One girl had the place ready for that and even full scholarship, but she then decided not to go there... you now... found a boyfriend at bad time In two weeks we gonna have camp in Spain and another for some players at beginning of april in the same place. For me it's bit hard time when I got two guys playing in german professional tour (EPD) also at winter in Turkey and in Marocco and these younger ones still having their school and no possibility to be out as much they should be able. And of course we all are out of money so not too much to do ;D ;D But this february camp is at right moment to see what happens outside and then we still got time to learn more (I try to avoid using word "change" all the time) if needed before season starts.
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Post by golfdad on Feb 1, 2012 9:53:26 GMT -5
Sound like busy and exciting times for you, along with golf biz. Keep up the good work!
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Post by golfdad on Feb 1, 2012 21:43:31 GMT -5
Some swings from today: 1. I think this swing finished again with too much lateral bend for too long, not good for long term, per Kelvin 2. A near full 6 or 7 iron 3. I feel the head went forward toward ball again in the beginning of the downswing 4. A partial shot, need squat or not, because it is not there 5. A medium partial shot 6. full shot dtl
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