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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 27, 2012 9:37:38 GMT -5
golfdad,
Was this 110 swing repeated? That seems awfully fast, I thought 100 was awfully fast. If the numbers are accurate your daughter would be one of the longer players on the LPGA tour!
I am looking at the changes and they are noticeable but that distance is off the charts, for example its as fast as Jim Fyryk swung a driver all of last year.
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Post by m2bzz on Jan 27, 2012 9:43:03 GMT -5
Hmmmm golfer??? nah................just wanting to learn and enjoy
and get AWAY FROM
GET IT
GOT IT
FACT
ANYWHOO
OUT TOSS
WEDDING RING UP
NORMAL
SO GLAD THIS SITE IS HERE.............
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Post by golfdad on Jan 27, 2012 10:23:36 GMT -5
golfdad, Was this 110 swing repeated? That seems awfully fast, I thought 100 was awfully fast. If the numbers are accurate your daughter would be one of the longer players on the LPGA tour! I am looking at the changes and they are noticeable but that distance is off the charts, for example its as fast as Jim Fyryk swung a driver all of last year. Well, first of all, she thinks playing golf day in and day out in a pro setting is unthinkably silly:) I tend to agree, unless one's game is so convincingly strong and one's heart has absolutely no other place... but it is a great process to build character. Those numbers imo reflect a general trend of markedly improved swing speed. The 110 is an outlier. I only pay attention to them to try to correlate each swing to each speed to see if there is something to learn about the swing mechanics. I feel she can quite predictably swing above 100 with her current, Kelvinized swing, but as we know, to compare swing speed alone with that of a validated pro does not serve much purpose. Having said that,,,she may not be able to do push ups or lift weight like many adults, but those who can may not be able to use their bodies like a rubber band like she can. So there is a trade-off point somewhere there:)
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Post by golfdad on Jan 27, 2012 10:26:04 GMT -5
Hmmmm golfer??? nah................just wanting to learn and enjoy and get AWAY FROM GET IT GOT IT FACT ANYWHOO OUT TOSS WEDDING RING UP NORMAL SO GLAD THIS SITE IS HERE............. I see. Let's hope Jeff lives up to our expectation then,
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 27, 2012 12:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by walther on Jan 27, 2012 13:28:30 GMT -5
So here is the 110 hit. Just want to touch on her mentality going into it. We usually discuss before each shot different variations of swing thoughts depending on the situation or issues from previous shots. 1. Form a good squat, please, I beg you, ice cream afterwards (which imo she did not do that well with this swing,,,I felt the squat, esp right knee ER is a bit rushed, but the overall motion seems fluid,,,perhaps timing plays a role as crucial as a solid execution of motion?) 2. The lag is forever. ( Don't actively hold or maintain the lag, but assume that the lag will never release, as if hitting through the ball with the lag still intact, which of course never happens since the lag will have to release on its own. But the key is that her body/subconscious mind knows when better than her conscious mind. How the wrists act or react at impact is out of her control so to speak; they react only to the action of her body, hip and legs. A good release is a reflection of a good overall body action.) 3. What clubface? who cares since it will square itself anyway. (respect the the general rules of physiology and reap the benefits of confidence and trust in oneself) Great post golfdad, thanks for sharing some of your though process. w
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Post by surfcity on Jan 27, 2012 14:04:00 GMT -5
So here is the 110 hit. Just want to touch on her mentality going into it. We usually discuss before each shot different variations of swing thoughts depending on the situation or issues from previous shots. 1. Form a good squat, please, I beg you, ice cream afterwards (which imo she did not do that well with this swing,,,I felt the squat, esp right knee ER is a bit rushed, but the overall motion seems fluid,,,perhaps timing plays a role as crucial as a solid execution of motion?) 2. The lag is forever. ( Don't actively hold or maintain the lag, but assume that the lag will never release, as if hitting through the ball with the lag still intact, which of course never happens since the lag will have to release on its own. But the key is that her body/subconscious mind knows when better than her conscious mind. How the wrists act or react at impact is out of her control so to speak; they react only to the action of her body, hip and legs. A good release is a reflection of a good overall body action.) 3. What clubface? who cares since it will square itself anyway. (respect the the general rules of physiology and reap the benefits of confidence and trust in oneself) Here is a fun experiment: show the most precious piece of china you can find in the house to your kid... Then, tell her that you will gently toss it to her and ask her not to catch it. Don't catch it. Before she is done processing this puzzling proposition, toss the precious, breakable china to her. What will happen next? You both watch the china breaks into pieces by her feet or she catches the china in a reflex? Why not let our reflex handle the interface between lag and release? What do you think this phrase will do to a student: the better players have a superior ability controlling their club face? It's absolutely true, isn't it? But do we consider how a student receives it and processes it and acts on it? Golfdad--regarding number 2 above, here's a good photo to meditate on.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 27, 2012 14:10:11 GMT -5
that could not have been a real swing, had to be goofing or something?
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Post by teeace on Jan 27, 2012 14:16:38 GMT -5
that could not have been a real swing, had to be goofing or something? In that he was demonstrating how he likes to feel when coming to impact. Rotating face open all the time with arms triangle.
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Post by Jeff Martin on Jan 27, 2012 14:32:57 GMT -5
Moe demonstrates the same thing in this video: right shoulder external rotation and right arm transverse adduction, two "lag" micro moves.
Jeff
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Post by golfdad on Jan 27, 2012 14:52:37 GMT -5
Got to go with Moe,,,and Kelvin, per Jeff To me, someone who is interested to help out, out of paternal instinct, but without know how, without ability to demonstrate (personally hate golf), without really a burning desire to exhaustively go through everything about golf that is out there because it is so overwhelming and confusing,,,Kelvin and Jeff handed me the platter. So I took the short cut, but the operative words are that " I took", meaning I proactively made the decision with however little courage I have that my kid and I are going to give this a good try. As you can see and as one time Jeff pointed out, to be able to distill what is out there into a systemic format that anyone can read and learn, it speaks to the genius of Kelvin. It takes courage and a strong conviction that most of what is out there is not working to be such a contrarian. But paradoxically, what seems to be a contrarian movement is hardly one because as we see again and again, everything Kelvin advocates can be observed in those great players in their primes. Therefore, I don't understand when people say regular players should not try to learn to swing like the great ones. Me don't get it
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Post by golfdad on Jan 28, 2012 8:09:10 GMT -5
Yesterday before swinging the club (after warm-up), we talked about adding adduction of the 2 thighs at impact, which may add power to the impact. We rehearsed a bit on that move, that in addition to the knee extension and hip extension, add the squeezing together feeling of the 2 lower limbs when coming out of the squat. Her first swing at 112 mph is this: Here she held the trophy and thanked the academy: She proceeded to swing another 10-15 times, and was unable to match the first one. I wonder if this decaying of speed is commonly observed, or is it a reflection of her physical conditioning level.
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Post by m2bzz on Jan 28, 2012 13:47:51 GMT -5
MAYBE 2 MUCH DADOVISION
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Post by golfdad on Jan 28, 2012 15:59:07 GMT -5
m2bzz,,,you are talking in code! Anyway, weather's sunny and only mildly cold so we drove to the driving range, went through some clubs in a jacket that she felt to be too tight and took some pics. I will ask Kelvin to take a look, to pick out some issues of interest to focus on going forward. Again, I will ask him to feel free to post his clip here for everyone's benefit.
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Post by surfcity on Jan 28, 2012 16:18:20 GMT -5
Nice work, Golfdad. How far does she hit the driver on average? Better watch out though, the driver is really one big crack pipe. I mean that in a good way.
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