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Post by golfdad on Jan 28, 2012 16:37:26 GMT -5
Thanks surfcity,,,just trying to keep her busy from pipes of any nature I am not sure about her current distance since it is winter here and have not played outside yet. Last season she can go up to 200-210-ish, based on 80 something mph average swing speed, and stall-jump-flip. She hit one today at a speed that I will not divulge since it will invariably invite unnecessary scrutiny One thing I neglected to mention earlier is that we are both surprised that despite the rather massive and drastic swing change, she was hitting straighter than before. Too bad I did not get the Casio until recently,,,it would have been an interesting comparison just on how she releases...
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Post by surfcity on Jan 28, 2012 16:48:58 GMT -5
Thanks surfcity,,,just trying to keep her busy from pipes of any nature I am not sure about her current distance since it is winter here and have not played outside yet. Last season she can go up to 200-210-ish, based on 80 something mph average swing speed, and stall-jump-flip. She hit one today at a speed that I will not divulge since it will invariably invite unnecessary scrutiny One thing I neglected to mention earlier is that we are both surprised that despite the rather massive and drastic swing change, she was hitting straighter than before. Too bad I did not get the Casio until recently,,,it would have been an interesting comparison just on how she releases... She's hitting it straighter because she is much more dynamic. No holdoff or steering that I can see in her swings. That's how Jack Nicklaus was taught as a child--hit it as far as you can and we'll worry about straightening it out later. Gary Woodland was brought up the same way, reminds me of young Jack.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 28, 2012 17:00:30 GMT -5
yeah, agree that being athletic should be an advantage. However, prior to Kelvin's guidance, deep down we felt that being athletic often equates to being reckless. Looking back, playing "safe" with body motion has brought on so many problems, like putting patch over patch over patch... Notice that Kelvin so far in his writing has not really discussed much what hands and arms need to do what at where. My presumption is that perhaps when the body as a whole is athletic, arms and hands will know what to do on their own. Thanks for your encouragement and feedback. PS. Woodland is fun to watch,,,after all this is a sport,,,right?
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Post by golfdad on Jan 28, 2012 19:33:57 GMT -5
2 swings at regular speed from today that I forgot earlier:
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Post by teeace on Jan 30, 2012 4:43:15 GMT -5
Finally was able to make one drawing about how I feel hips and feet are working in the golf swing. Same color of arrows means they work about same time. Please notice that I'm talking about forces and actions here, not maybe things we can see.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 30, 2012 7:44:17 GMT -5
Finally was able to make one drawing about how I feel hips and feet are working in the golf swing. Same color of arrows means they work about same time. Please notice that I'm talking about forces and actions here, not maybe things we can see. It will be more helpful knowing exactly what each line represents (esp those shorter lines) and then another diagram indicating what my kid is not doing correctly, haha
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Post by teeace on Jan 30, 2012 7:50:46 GMT -5
Finally was able to make one drawing about how I feel hips and feet are working in the golf swing. Same color of arrows means they work about same time. Please notice that I'm talking about forces and actions here, not maybe things we can see. It will be more helpful knowing exactly what each line represents (esp those shorter lines) and then another diagram indicating what my kid is not doing correctly, haha So the torque on right foot is clockwise and because it can't slide, the force is transferred to hips and that way the right hip goes with those lines. Outside of the big ellipse is only hand path and I think those red lines are one of the most interesting parts.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 30, 2012 7:50:50 GMT -5
So here is Kelvin's most recent swing analysis, from head to toe ;D
This has been a fantastic winter adventure. Productive for a change! Glad that Kelvin is picking up other details that we have neglected while focusing on the squat and turn.
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Post by golfdad on Jan 30, 2012 9:14:43 GMT -5
It will be more helpful knowing exactly what each line represents (esp those shorter lines) and then another diagram indicating what my kid is not doing correctly, haha So the torque on right foot is clockwise and because it can't slide, the force is transferred to hips and that way the right hip goes with those lines. Outside of the big ellipse is only hand path and I think those red lines are one of the most interesting parts. Thanks teeace. So this shows the down swing, right? what is the short arrow line outside the right foot for?
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Post by teeace on Jan 30, 2012 9:24:18 GMT -5
So the torque on right foot is clockwise and because it can't slide, the force is transferred to hips and that way the right hip goes with those lines. Outside of the big ellipse is only hand path and I think those red lines are one of the most interesting parts. Thanks teeace. So this shows the down swing, right? what is the short arrow line outside the right foot for? That short line is something not too many talking about and it's the direction player tries to twist the right foot all the way starting from setup. It's invisible pre torque move that puts the left leg in tension and working right way.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 30, 2012 9:35:50 GMT -5
Thanks teeace. So this shows the down swing, right? what is the short arrow line outside the right foot for? That short line is something not too many talking about and it's the direction player tries to twist the right foot all the way starting from setup. It's invisible pre torque move that puts the left leg in tension and working right way. I have been using the knee more to create the torque rather than the foot, does that sound like a crazy idea?
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Post by walther on Jan 30, 2012 13:26:28 GMT -5
That short line is something not too many talking about and it's the direction player tries to twist the right foot all the way starting from setup. It's invisible pre torque move that puts the left leg in tension and working right way. Mike Maves talks about it quite a bit about pre-torquing the right foot in his book and at Secret in the Dirt.com. - Excerpt from page 71 of his e-book: "I learned to put this torquing feeling into the right foot and build it into my address during practice sessions. Soon a properly executed pivot was driving my action over and over again. The Pre-torque had me feeling for the first time the pressure that great ball strikers build into the right side on the backswing. Most do it naturally as part of a finely managed backswing."Martin Ayers also has some pieces there on the elbow move and right shoulder ER but he struggles as he lacks the precise terminology to describe the movement. w
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Post by teeace on Jan 30, 2012 14:59:17 GMT -5
That short line is something not too many talking about and it's the direction player tries to twist the right foot all the way starting from setup. It's invisible pre torque move that puts the left leg in tension and working right way. I have been using the knee more to create the torque rather than the foot, does that sound like a crazy idea? Not at all. Im my drawing there is only directions, not how it's made because it will be maybe too complicated to explain. I think Kelvin could have "tools" to make that more clear. But I think it's whole leg and some muscles in pelvis area that are trying to rotate that foot. By that, the knee moves a bit but the main thing you get is tension on your right side ready to fire.
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Post by clearwater on Jan 30, 2012 21:18:59 GMT -5
She has just about ALL of the power pieces in there! The DTL driver was popped up, but I'd like to see a DTL driver hit right in the nuts.
Have you done any measurements of the swing direction lately??? I;'m guessing the shots arent qutie right with the ball on the ground just yet....accurate???
I'm a big fan of building a girl's swing with a model to LAUNCH it, and the spine flexions/extending/extensions are all there (in a less incremental order than I would teach it, but still all there)!!! Nice job to all involved for sure!!!
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Post by golfdad on Jan 30, 2012 21:35:10 GMT -5
Hello clearwater, my kid has been on her own with my highly unprofessional help on the side all these years until recently when we decided to give Kelvin's work a good try. We live in the Northeast so it is mild winter so far but we have not played outside except the recent driving range trip. In that session she actually hit pretty straight to our surprise, considering she is changing a lot of things, from a stall/slip type of swing to one being guided by Kelvin. The range embedded driving tee was too low, so we took one out and just put it on the mat, which was too high. That is one excuse i can find:)
I felt that since not playing outside for a while, she was definitely not very sharp on alignment, both mentally and body wise, always a chronic bad habit of hers,,,very careless at times!
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